Ceallach mac Donal - His Musings

Please read the
SCA Approved Blade Types
to determine what blades you may use in your kingdom.

Scroll down for pictures & technical details on the blades.

Rapier Blades Price Comparison




Zen Warrior Armory
Alchem,
Inc.

Darkwood
Armory

American Fencers Supply
Marco Krieger Armory
James
The
Just

Rapiers

Alchem flat tang

30" to 42"

$75




Alchem rod tang

27" to 40"

$90




Darkwood Bated

30" - 36"


$130


37" - 42"


$150

$150
43" - 45"


$160



Darkwood Practice

37" - 42"


$140

$140
43" - 45"


$150



Hanwei Practical

37"


?
$60
$60

43"



?
$60
$60

MKA

30"




$140
36" - 39"




$155

42" - 45"





$170

Triplette
35"
$65




40"
$85





Angus Trim


Del Tin


Popinjay


Starfire

Prices Checked August 5, 2007

Terminology on this page:

Material - the variety of steel used in the making of this blade.
Length - The length of the blade NOT including the tang.
Tang length - The length of the tang.
Ricasso length - The length of the non-edged, flat profiled portion of the sword beginning from the tang.
Profile taper - The width of the blade measured at the beginning of the ricasso to the width of the blade measured at the tip of the blade immediately before any rounding of the tip.
Distal taper - the thickness of the blade measured at the beginning of the ricasso to the thickness of the blade measured at the tip of the blade immediately before any rounding of the tip.
Flex Min/Max - The force, measured in lbs. that it takes to flex the blade when stationary. First, with the palm flat on the pommel to get the minimum flex force, secondly with the hand wrapped around the tang attempting to keep the blade from flexing. (This test is the same test used by Alchem Inc.)
Balance Point - the balance point of the blade. The balance point is determined then the measurement is taken from the beginning of the ricasso to that point NOT including the tang.
Weight - this should be self explanatory
Facts - additional facts that do not fit into the previous items.
Opinions - opinions of various people about the blade(s) in question. Please feel free to send me your own opinions and they will be added without attribution (unless requested).

NOTE: all measurements, etc. are taken off of naked blades.
NOTE 2: Most of these blades (if not all) are hand forged and thus no two blades will ever be identical. Every statistic printed here is from a representative blade (or two)and must therefore be taken with the proverbial grain of salt.

YiS
Ceallach Mac Donal
in the Barony of Bryn Gwlad
in the Kingdom of Ansteorra

MKA
Kelly Hatcher
Austin, Texas
ceallach at dwarf works dot com


Triplette Rapier



Material:
#### High silicon steel
Length(s):
40" / 35" (representative sample at 40 3/8")
Tang Length:
~5 1/2"
Tang Type:
variable width tapering to 1 1/2" of threaded 6x1 metric
Ricasso Length:
2"
Profile Taper:
40" : 3/4" -> 1/2"
35" :
Distal Taper:
40" : 7/32" -> 5/32"
Flex Min/Max: 40" : 14 / 25
35" :
Balance Point:
40" : 41.5% or 16 3/4"
35" :
Weight:
40" : 14.3 oz. or 405.4 grams
35" :
Facts:
Opinions:


Zamarano



Material:

Length(s):
40" / 35" / 31"
Tang Length:
6 1/2"
Tang Type:
Straight rod to thread, 6x1 metric
Ricasso Length:
2 1/4"
Profile Taper:
40" : 7/8" -> 3/8"
35" :
31" :
Distal Taper:

Flex Min/Max:

Balance Point:

Weight:

Facts:

This blade has no distal taper, maintaining the same thickness throughout.


Alchem Flat Tang Schlager/Rapier

(Left in Image)

Material:
1074 high carbon steel
Length(s):
30" to 42"
Tang Length:
up to 7 1/2"
Tang Type:
Flat
Ricasso Length:

Profile Taper:
1 1/4" -> 3/8"
Distal Taper:

Flex Min/Max: from 10/18 to 12/25
Balance Point:

Weight:
19 ounces or 540 grams
Facts:
Flat tang blades require a a custom pinned pommel.
Blade has a button tip.


Alchem Rod Tang Schlager/Rapier

(Right in Image)
Material:
1074 high carbon steel
Length(s):
27" to 40"
Tang Length:
up to 7 1/2"
Tang Type:
5/16" rod 6x1 metric thread
Ricasso Length:

Profile Taper:
3/4" -> 3/8"
Distal Taper:

Flex Min/Max: from 10/18 to 12/25
Balance Point:

Weight:
13.4 ounces or 380 grams
Facts:
Blade has a button tip.

Hanwei Practical Rapiers

Material:
1070 steel (high carbon alloy)
Length(s):
43" / 37"
Tang Length:
~5"
Tang Type:
Variable width tapering to threaded 6x1 metric for the last 1 to 2 inches
Ricasso Length:
~3 1/2"
Profile Taper: 43" : 1 1/4" -> 3/8"
37" : 1 1/4" -> 3/8"
Distal Taper:
43" : 3/16" -> 3/32"
37" : 3/16" -> 3/32"
Flex Min/Max: 43" : 9 / 18
37" : 12 / 20
Balance Point:
43" : 32.4% or 13 7/8"
37" : 31.9% or 11 3/4"
Weight:
43" : 15.9 ounces or 450 grams
37" : 13.6 ounces or 386 grams
Facts:
Blade has a button tip.
The Hanwei Practical Rapier series swords and blades may also be seen as "Paul Chen", "CAS Iberia", or "C.A.S. Iberia" Practical Rapiers.
This blade is the cheapest entry into the heavy fencing arena, and a complete rapier can usually be found for around < $120



Darkwood Practice



Material:
5160 steel (chromium-molybdenum alloy)
Length(s):
45" / 42" / 39" / 37"
Tang Length:

Tang Type:

Ricasso Length:
2"
Profile Taper:
3/4" ->
Distal Taper:

Flex Min/Max:
Balance Point:

Weight:
~13.8 ounces or 390 grams
Facts:

Opinions:


Darkwood Bated



Material:
5160 steel (chromium-molybdenum alloy)
Length(s):
45" / 42" / 39" / 37"
Tang Length:

Tang Type:

Ricasso Length:
2"
Profile Taper: 7/8" ->
Distal Taper:

Flex Min/Max:
Balance Point:

Weight:
440 grams (~15.5 ounces)
Facts:

Opinions:


Del Tin Practice, Mark I



Material:
6150 steel (chrome-vanadium alloy)
Length(s):
~42"
Tang Length:
4 1/4" - 4 1/2"
Tang Type:
Variable width, tapering to ~3/4" of ~15/64 threaded rod at 6x1 metric
Ricasso Length:
4"
Profile Taper:
3/4" -> 9/32"
Distal Taper:
3/16" ->
Flex Min/Max: 6.5 / ??
Balance Point:
34.2% or 14 3/8"
Weight:
12.6 ounces or 358 grams
Facts:

This blade is no longer manufactured.


Del Tin Practice, Mark II


Material:
6150 steel (chrome-vanadium alloy)
Length(s):
~42"
Tang Length:
4 1/4" - 4 1/2"
Tang Type:
Variable width, tapering to ~3/4" of ~15/64 threaded rod at 6x1 metric
Ricasso Length:
2 1/2" - 3"
Profile Taper:
3/4" -> 9/32"
Distal Taper:
5/32" ->
Flex Min/Max: 7.5 - 9 / 21
Balance Point:
34.6% or 14 5/8"
Weight:
12.1 ounces 345 grams
Facts:
Rounded edges, blunt tip.



Del Tin Bated


Material:
6150 steel (chrome-vanadium alloy)
Length(s):
42"
Tang Length:
~4 1/4"
Tang Type:
Variable width, tapering to ~3/4" of threaded rod at 6x1 metric
Ricasso Length:
2 1/2"
Profile Taper:
1" -> 3/8"
Distal Taper:

Flex Min/Max: 14 / 21
Balance Point:

Weight:
13.8 ounces or 390 grams
Facts:
The Del Tin Bated Rapier is stiffer than their Practice Rapier

Opinions:

Angus Trim


Material:
5160 steel (chromium-molybdenum alloy)
Length(s):
up to 44"
Tang Length:

Tang Type:

Ricasso Length:
waisted, 2.5"
Profile Taper:
1 3/4" ->
Distal Taper:

Flex Min/Max:
Balance Point:

Weight:

Facts:
Opinions:

Facts about Steel



Steel Alloys:
Steel is an alloy of iron that must contain Carbon. it is the most important hardening elementOther elements may be added for specific applications.

Carbon The most important element which increases the strength of the steel, and without a high enough percentage, alloy would not harden.

High Carbon Steel contains minimum of .5% carbon, higher the %, higher hardness can be achieved
Designation First numbers - 10 means plain carbon steel, any other number designate alloy steel. 50xx serie is a chromium steel.
SAE designation system, steels with letter designations are tool steels - W-1, O-1, D-2
Designation Last numbers of a steel specify the steel's carbon content = 1095 has 0.95% carbon. 52100 has 1.0% carbon. 5160 has 0.60% carbon.

Chromium - Gives the alloy it corrosion resistance, forms chromium carbides for wear resistance, and hardenability.

Stainless Steel - is a steel with at least 13% chromium. The first 11% disolves and form carbides, left over are your rust resistance.
Higher the %, more free chromium, more rust resistance.
All stainless steel alloys can rust, they are only rust resistant, not rust proof. As with plain high carbon steels, proper blade maintenance is needed, though not as much.

Manganese - Manganese helps the grain structure, and contributes to hardenability. Also strength & wear resistance. Improves the steel (e.g., deoxidizes) during the steel's manufacturing (hot working and rolling). Present in most cutlery steels except for A-2, L-6, and CPM 420V.

Molybdenum - Forms carbides, prevents brittleness & maintains the steel's strength at high temperatures. It is added to many steel alloys, to enable them to harden in the air.
A-2, ATS-34) always have 1% or more molybdenum

Nickel - Enhancer for strength, corrosion resistance, and toughness.
Present in L-6 and AUS-6 and AUS-8.

Silicon - Increases strength, and wear resistance. Like manganese, it makes the steel more sound while it's being manufactured.

Tungsten - Increases wear resistance. When combined properly with chromium or molybdenum, tungsten will make the steel to be a high-speed steel. The high-speed steel M-2 has a high amount of tungsten.

Vanadium - Forms finely structured carbides to enhance wear resistance and hardenability. A number of steels have vanadium, but M-2, Vascowear, and CPM T440V and 420V (in order of increasing amounts) have high amounts of vanadium. BG-42's biggest difference with ATS-34 is the addition of vanadium.

This information copied from: http://ajh-knives.com/metals.html